tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-695055010482997342024-03-14T11:31:33.346-07:00Confessions of an Eschatological AgnosticAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-17268467086657460162012-07-05T12:07:00.001-07:002012-07-05T12:23:50.874-07:00Gospel Centered Preaching and Dispensationalism<br />
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Why are dispensationalists often left out of the conversation?!! Two years ago I went to the National ETS conference because I wanted to see an epic debate between John Piper and NT Wright over the biblical concept of justification. I was a little disappointed when Piper was replaced by Schreiner, but I was still amped up to see NT Wright and he did not disappoint. BUT . . . you know what I walked away thinking? Where were the dispensational voices? You had Wright and you had reformed voices, but no real dispensational thinkers. Aren't they allowed to have an opinion?</div>
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1. What is the Gospel?</div>
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First of all, we need to address the question, "What is the Gospel?" Is the gospel merely a belief in the penal substitutionary atonement? Is the gospel just the doctrine of double imputation? Is the gospel a belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ? Or . . . is the gospel the entire story of what God is doing in history? Scot McKnight in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/031049298X/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link">King Jesus Gospel</a> makes (in my opinion) a very helpful distinction between the gospel and the plan of salvation. When we talk about the gospel we are often reductionistic and apply it only to the plan of salvation (Admit your sin, believe in the sacrifice of Christ, and confess him as Lord). The gospel, however, is the story of what God is doing in the world. He is seeking to re-establish his kingdom on earth and to redeem a people for himself. As I have read gospel centered preachers' writings they tend to struggle with this idea. They want to include the second coming in their gospel preaching, but the way they define gospel (double imputation) makes them have to jump through hoops in order to allow it. If we broaden our definition of gospel to what God is doing in history, culminating in Jesus, it will help us to fit our preaching into the story of God's word rather than to impose the plan of salvation on every text. Which leads us to our next question . . . </div>
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2. Is there continuity or discontinuity between the testaments?</div>
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This is a very complicated hermeneutical question. I don't want to dive overly deep into it here; I just want to point out that there is a major difference in how reformation thinkers, traditional dispensationalists, and progressive dispensationalists view the relationship between the testaments. Reformed thinkers tend to focus on the continuity between the two testaments, traditional dispensationalists tend to focus on the discontinuity, and the progressives tend to focus on both continuity and discontinuity. Now, with the advent of thinkers like NT Wright, I think there is a more helpful way of articulating the relationship between the Testaments and that is the idea of story. The gospel story binds the two testaments together. The story of what God is doing in history, culminating in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. This story is the good news! </div>
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God created man in his image and made him a steward of his creation. Man transgressed the one boundary that God put in place and mankind fell into sin, and because of that relational breach God cursed not only mankind but the entirety of creation. God, however, did not give up on man. He pursued him through covenants (Noahic, Abrahamic, Mosaic, Palestinian, Davidic, and New), culminating in Jesus who is the ultimate answer and fulfillment of those covenants. Jesus, the eternal second person of the trinity, willingly became a man, lived a perfect life, called men to repentance, gave his own life as a sacrifice for sin, and rose again from the grave putting a nail in the coffin of sin, death, and the devil. Then he ascended to heaven where he now reigns as king in the hearts of his people as he awaits the time when he will return to earth to establish his kingdom in its full form and judge the world, condemning unbelievers and rewarding his own. This is the story of what God is doing in the world. This story is the good news.</div>
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If this is the story of what God is doing, then there is continuity between the testaments because both testaments are part of God's one story, but there is also discontinuity because each testament was written by people who were fully invested in their own part of the story. True gospel preaching then will recognize the part of the gospel story every event and author was a part of and then ask the question, "What does this text mean in its own part of the gospel story, and what does it mean to me in my part of the story?" True gospel preaching should never impose my part of the story onto another text at least at the level of meaning (perhaps at the level of extrapolation). Which leads us to perhaps the distinguishing hermeneutic that divides reformed brothers and sisters from their dispensational conterparts, the analogy of faith.</div>
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Since reformed people see continuity between the testaments, many of them often feel free to impose later New Testament truth back onto Old Testament passages. This can be helpful at times, but it all depends on how you phrase what you are doing. Modern dispensationalism does not lead to this type of hermeneutic (Classic Dispensationalists and to an extent Revised Dispensationalists were prone to similar thinking, they just called it typology). </div>
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I think I am going to have to give an example to explain what I mean. Let's use the story of David and Goliath as an example. Here is a good video
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If you followed the link, you will find that Matt believes that when we preach about David and Goliath, we should really preach about how Jesus slayed the giants of sin, death, and the devil. That, to him, would be gospel-centered or Christ-centered preaching. What I learned from this is that when reformed people say that Gospel Centered preaching will lead you away from dispensationalism, that is what they are referring to. Dispensationalism will lead you away from a hermeneutic that allows you to read the story of Jesus back onto the story of David and Goliath. Was the original intent behind the telling of story of David and Goliath to prefigure the work of Christ? Of course not. If we preach that as the intent of the passage, we are not exegeting the text, but imposing a foreign idea onto it. Now, does that mean that we can't both find out the original intent of the story, preach that intent, AND focus on the gospel? Of course not!. </div>
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So, how should we preach the original intent AND focus on the gospel story at the same time. First we have to discover the original intent. I believe as you look at the book of 1 Samuel as a whole you will find that it is a mainly a contrast between two personalities, David and Saul. David was a man of faith in God who depended on him for success. Saul was a man of pride who depended on himself for his success. These two personalities convene in a very telling way in the story of David and Goliath. Saul will not fight Goliath, because he is afraid. He looks at Goliath and his strength and he looks at himself and his lack thereof and makes the logical choice that fighting him would end in death. This reaction is just part of who he is, a man dependent on himself. David, on the other hand, is a man of faith. He believes that God is active and wants to save his people, he is just waiting for a faith filled servant to use. </div>
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The author was trying to hold David up as a model of faithfulness to God and his covenant. He was in essence teaching through story that we should be like David and not like Saul. If we want to be faithful to the text, our sermon should also focus on the faith of David. In other words, if we interpret the text properly, it does lead to a moral. Christ centered preaching (as enumerated by many reformed thinkers) tries to tell us that if we preach a moral, then it is somehow not Christ centered or gospel centered. The Bible does, however, teach morals and ethics for God's people to live by. Preaching a moral is not moralism, especially if the point of the text we are studying is to get across a moral. Moralism is when we teach that God loves us more for following the moral, or loves us less if we don't. The Bible is absolutely filled with morals. I believe that we can both hold to a dispensational/progressive dispensational hermeneutic (not imposing NT theology on OT texts) and still be gospel centered when we preach them. Gospel centered preaching allows me to preach a moral, but at the same time it does NOT allow me to just leave it at that. Here is where you need to put the story of David and Goliath into the gospel story. </div>
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Like David and Saul, we are fallen people and live in the midst of other fallen people. That fallenness leads us to be afraid of the circumstances of life, like Saul. We too have an option of how to react to those circumstances. We can trust ourselves or we can trust in God. Therefore, the proper way to preach this text is to call people to faith in God no matter the circumstances of life. </div>
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We also need to understand that because we live in a different part of the story, that our application is going to need to be re-contextualized. We do not live under the Mosaic covenant any more. Under the law, faith and faithfulness to the covenant resulted in physical blessings, while unfaithfulness led to curses. That is different between our situation and David and Saul's. We cannot then preach that if we have enough faith in God, that he will enable us to slay all of our personal giants. So, when we preach David and Goliath, we, like the author, should call people to have big faith in a big God who loves his people and wants what is best for them, while at the same time not promising the people that they can manipulate God by their faith. If they just have enough faith, that God will do whatever they ask of him.</div>
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Which leads us back to our initial question. Can people hold to a dispensational hermeneutic and still be gospel centered in their preaching? Yes!! If we focus on the story of the gospel and let it inform our preaching. We don't just preach the moral, "Have faith!" We also must preach the why. Why should we have big faith in a big God? Because that God loves us, pursues us, and ultimately sent his own son to free us from sin and death. It is not moralism to understand that certain passages of Scripture teach morals. It only becomes moralism when we at the same time preach that the goal of the Christian life is to be moral. The goal of the Christian life is to have a relationship with God, and we can only do that when we see everything through the lens of the gospel.</div>
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So, when gospel centered preachers say that being gospel centered will lead them to be reformed, that really isn't the case. Using the analogy of faith and reading the plan of salvation into the meaning of Old Testaments texts might, but that hermeneutic is not the only way to be gospel centered and reject moralism.</div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-70536254172749550452012-06-22T07:44:00.000-07:002012-06-22T08:30:17.813-07:00Is America the New Israel?<br />
A few months ago a great man in my church suggested I read a book called "<i>The Last Harbinger</i>." I asked him what it was about and he told me that I just needed to read it. "It will tell you where we are headed as a country" he said. Whenever someone from the church suggests I read something, I do. It think it is my desire for their protection that drives me to do so. I went on-line and I purchased the book.<br />
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What I found there both horrified me and taught me something very valuable about how some modern evangelicals look at America. Let me start with a disclaimer. I love America. I am so glad that I was blessed to be born in this great nation. Do not in any way take the rest of this post and me bashing on America. I am not.<br />
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What horrified me was that the author, Jonathan Cahn, teaches that America is the new Israel in God's plan. He suggests that America is a distinctly Christian nation, qualitatively different than every other nation, except Israel. I don't think so and I will explain why in a moment. It did, however, help me understand those "America is a Christian nation" people a little better. It helps me make sense of their constant complaint about prayer being taken out of schools or their propensity to be the morality police for the nation at large. The book brings up a subject that we probably need to address in our churches. Is America some great nation that God treats differently than every other secular nation on the surface of the earth or not?<br />
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Cahn compares the United States of America to the nation of Israel. He says that they are the only two nations in history that were established with a covenant between the nation and God. Then, he uses this link to apply prophecies made to ancient Israel to modern day America. These links between ancient prophesy about the idolatry and decline of the Northern Kingdom and America's post 9-11 experience are clearly impressive, and I do think that we can learn something from the pattern of how God interacted with Israel, but I think there are some huge errors in logic and some very dangerous and wrong conclusions that we could draw by equating God's dealings with Israel to God's dealings with America.<br />
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First of all, God chose Israel. He picked out Abraham from every other man on the face of the planet, and he chose him. He didn't choose him, because he was great, or because he was already worshiping him. He just chose him, and made promises to him to make him the father of a great nation. A nation through whom all other nations would be blessed. God never chose America in this way. God has a purpose for America; I firmly believe that. America, however, is not a "chosen" nation in the way that Israel was a "chosen" nation. God doesn't work in America in ways that are different from how he interacts with any other nation.<br />
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One of the ways that Cahn makes this connection is by pointing out that there has been a breach in the walls of America. A trouble that has beset us that proves that God is judging us. We were falling away from our job as being the light that draws people to God, so God sent planes into our buildings and killed thousands of people to get our attention on 9-11. REALLY? Sounds like a Pat Robertson soundbite to me. Also, why is this tragedy the breach in our walls? What about the civil war? What about the Great Depression? What about Pearl Harbor? Why choose just this tragedy? Also, are all tragedies sent by God to teach us lessons? Surely the principle is true that we reap what we sow, but we need to be careful when we say why God allows something to happen, when we really aren't sure why. Calling people to repentance in the face of tragedy is a good thing, but to stand on your soap box and say that these towers fell because America did this or does that is going beyond what we know.<br />
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Second, we are in a different part of God's story today. In the Old Testament, God was pursuing his people through covenants. Promises that he made to specific people. These people were members of one nation, Israel. Through the covenants God held Israel up as an example to all the other nations. He wanted to draw other nations and people to him through their story. That is why God chose a nation that wasn't that great, because he wanted people to look at them and see God. Because of sin, however, Israel never did the job as they were intended to. Therefore, when the time was right, God sent his son, Jesus. Now, God's primary way of reaching people is not through a nation or a people, but through the church (1 Pet. 2:9; Rom. 11:17, 24; Phil. 3:3) with the message of Jesus on their lips. The church is the center of God's plan in this part of the story, not one particular nation.<br />
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America is not a special chosen nation instituted by God to draw people to salvation in the same way that Israel was. Has America had successful missionary efforts? Of course!! God's plan, though, is not to use America to reach the world, but to use his church.<br />
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I think this misunderstanding about America is common today. I also think that this misconception can be dangerous. These people firmly believe that until we get back to our roots as a nation that there is no hope for our country. Our hope does not come from America; our hope comes from God. God working through his church to reach the world. Don't put your hope in America going back to a certain set of ethics or back to being a more "Christian" nation. Also, this philosophy will lead you to try to reclaim culture and to Christianize America, rather to focus on transforming hearts with the power of the gospel one at a time. Love your country. Hope for the best, but remember that we are citizens of heaven first! America is not the greatest good in the world, God is!! He is our only hope! The gospel is the only means of salvation.<br />
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<br />Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-34920950218936691182010-02-11T05:36:00.000-08:002010-02-11T07:04:06.718-08:00The Antichrist: Alive and Well? - Part Three<div style="text-align: justify;">Anybody out there remember Baghdad Bob? He was probably the best (or perhaps worst) propagandist out there. He was the Iraqi "minister of information," or more accurately "disinformation". His real name was Mohammed Saeed, but because our geniuses in our news media couldn't pronounce his name, they nicknamed him "Baghdad Bob".<br /><br />During the war in 2003 he repeatedly made the claim that the Iraqi forces were decisively winning every battle against the US and co<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1108/BaghdadBobImage34.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 301px; height: 206px;" src="http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/1108/BaghdadBobImage34.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a>alition forces. He became best known for his daily press conferences near the end of the war, because they were borderline comedy routines. His newest story would be even more far-fetched than the last, culminating when he exclaimed that there were no American troops in Baghdad and that they were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city gates. But . . . if you looked carefully at the footage of that interview, you could see American tanks rolling down the streets of Baghdad not even 100 yards from his press conference. In the US, Baghdad Bob gained somewhat of a following. People made T-shirts of him holed up in the Death Star as it was being destroyed, claiming that everything was fine. Unfortunately, many in the Arab world believed everything this guy said and were shocked when Baghdad fell, because they really believed Iraq was winning.<br /><br />When I think about the Antichrist, I think about Baghdad Bob. Satan has been defeated already by the cross of Christ. According to Revelation 12 he is confined to the earth and is striking out in rage. However, he still thinks he can win, so Satan drafts two more soldiers in his army, the antichrist (the beast) and the false prophet. These guys are going to be his ministers of information, finding him worship and deceiving people into believing his lies, even though they know that he is already a defeated power. The Antichrist will stand up and declare victory for Satan, even while God's tanks are rolling by in the background.<br /><br />We have learned some things about the Antichrist from some very clear passages. In 2 Thessalonians we learned that <a>he will exalt himself above every god, set up an abomination of desolation, perform false miracles, and deceive many. In the Synoptics and 1 John we learned that a large "A" Antichrist is coming in the future, but a more pressing concern is the small "a" antichrists which are already here and leading many astray. Now I want to look at the last and most difficult NT passage about the Antichrist, Revelation 13.</a><br /><br /><a>It is difficult, because it is embedded in an apocalyptic work. Apocalyptic language is filled with allusion and metaphor, and can be difficult (or even impossible) to interpret precisely. It is exactly this imprecision that makes apocalyptic language beautiful and emotional. It is more art than science. It is more like throwing paint onto a canvas and creating a picture than rational explanation. </a><br /><br /><a>Let's start with the description of the beast in 13:1-2 and see what we can learn:</a><br /><br /><a>1. Dripping wet (just came out of the sea)</a><br /><a>2. Seven heads</a><br /><a>3. Ten crowns (ten crowns on seven heads?)</a><br /><a>4. Ten horns</a><br /><a>5. A blasphemous name written on each head</a><br /><a>6. The appearance of a leopard</a><br /><a>7. The feet of a bear</a><br /><a>8. The mouth of a lion</a><br /><br /><a>So, is this otherworldly description what the beast actually looks like? No, this isn't a description of the Antichrist's physical appearance, instead each attribute is meant to tell us something about the Antichrist. In this passage he comes up out of the sea. In chapter 11 he came up out of the abyss. The abyss is associated with Satan and the sea often personified evil in ancient Jewish thought. So, this description teaches us right away that this guy is a minion of Satan.<br /><br />The fact that he has seven heads associates him with his master, the dragon, who also has seven heads. So, the Antichrist's power and authority derive from the dragon, and he is an enemy of the church. The ten horns most likely refer to military might and the fact that there are crowns on each one suggests that he will rule politically probably through this military might. The blasphemous names were probably names of other gods or of Caesars claiming to be god like many did in John's day.</a><br /><br /><a>So who is this beast from the sea? Who do you associate this beast with? What pops into your mind when you read this description?<br /><br />Who would John most likely have associated this beast with? Most likely John would have thought of the Roman Empire. Doesn't the Roman Empire fit this description? The Roman Empire fulfilled the will of Satan by killing and torturing saints The Roman Empire blasphemed when its emperors declared themselves "gods". The Empire made war against God's people at many times. The Empire received worship from the pagan world.<br /><br />The Roman Empire DOES fit this description at many points, but I personally believe that the beast is broader than just the Roman Empire, a revived Roman Empire, or any empire for that matter. This image finds partial fulfillment in any government or power that wars against God and his people, but I think that 2 Thessalonians makes clear that ultimately it refers to a man at the end of history. He will rise up and call himself "god" and demand total allegiance and praise.</a><br /><br /><a>This beast has a jumble of characteristics from Daniels four beasts in Daniel 7. He is not like just one of the beasts, he is like them all. He has the mouth of a lion, associating him with the winged lion that represented the Neo-Babylonian Empire. He has the legs and feet of a bear, associating him with the bear that represented the Medo-Persian Empire. He has the appearance of a leopard, wrapping his image up with the four-headed leopard that represented Alexander's Greek Empire. He also has many horns associating him with the fourth beast that represented the Roman Empire. In combining these beasts which were all opposed to God at one point or another, John sets forth the Antichrist as the epitome of opposition to God and his saints.<br /><br />All the power and authority that the Antichrist possesses are given to him by Satan. Satan offered this same type of power to Jesus, wanting him to not wait for the Father's timing. But . . . Jesus turned him down. This beast will have no such will power.</a><br /><br /><a>What have we learned about this guy so far, from the first two verses of Revelation 13?</a><br /><br /><a>1. He is a minion of Satan </a><br /><a>2. He is evil</a><br /><a>3. He is powerful</a><br /><a>4. He is the embodiment of all previous opposition to God and his saints</a><br /><a>5. His end is wrapped up in Satan's end </a><br />6. His will power is weak<br /><br />The main point though is that he will team himself up with a defeated power. He will focus worship on Satan and proclaim loudly from the rooftops that Satan is winning, but in the end it will have all turned out to be just propaganda. God will win.<br /><br /></div><a><br /></a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-81493645627879726092010-02-04T05:51:00.001-08:002010-02-04T07:28:06.624-08:00The Antichirst: Alive and Well - Part Two<div style="text-align: justify;">People have thrown the term Antichrist at many people over the centuries. Today, if you go to www.snopes.com you can even see an entire article debunking the claim that Barack Obama is the Antichrist. He is not the only one that has been branded with this title over the years. Here are some more . . .<br /><br />1. Antiochus Epiphanes - The little horn of Daniel who is a type of Antichrist and did many of the same things that a future Antichrist is likely to do (like desecrate the temple and outlawing the true religion).<br /><br />2. Nero - Nero was a Roman Emperor who persecuted the church like crazy. After his death, people didn't believe he was dead. Many thought he left Rome and went over to their enemy and was going to lead an army back into Rome to destroy it. Many Christians today still believe that Nero was the Antichrist.<br /><br />3. Many Popes - Many Protestant believers have assumed that the Antichrist will come from this powerful Christian denomination. Although, from even a superficial reading of 2 Thessalonians and Revelation 13 it appears that the Antichrist is more of a political figure who will push down ALL religions and make himself out to be God.<br /><br />4. Emperor Charlemagne - He lived mostly in the 8th century. He conquered much of Europe feeding the idea that he was the Antichrist, whom some believe will gather together a revived roman empire.<br /><br />5. Napolean - Same thing as C<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/1822.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 283px; height: 420px;" src="http://www.politicalfriendster.com/images/1822.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a>harlemagne. He loved war and tried to conquer Europe.<br /><br />6. Aleister Crowley - A English male witch who was so evil that he was called "the beast" by his contemporaries. Many rock and roll singers have immortalized him in their tunes like the Doors and Ozzy Osbourne.<br /><br />7. FDR - If you add up the letters of his name by Gematria, his name equals the number 666. The same thing is actually true for Nero. Many thought FDR was the Antichrist because of his power hungry ways, including trying to add Justices to the Supreme Court so that he could push through his New Deal.<br /><br />8. Mussolini - A dictator of Italy, the seat of the former Roman Empire. He was arrogant, which fits the picture of Antichrist that we get from 2 Thess. 2 and Rev. 13.<br /><br />9. Hitler - Just because he was evil incarnate<br /><br />10. Stalin - Killed 30 million people. Believed to be the biggest mass murderer of all time.<br /><br />11. JFK - He was slick and everybody loved him, which many people believe will be a character trait necessary to deceive the masses. He was also the first Roman Catholic president, and at the Democratic Convention he received 666 votes to acquire the nomination. After he was shot in Dallas, many Christians waited for his head wound to be healed, but of course it never was.<br /><br />12. Henry Kissinger - Because of his constant work in the Middle East<br /><br />13. <a>Ayatollah Khomeini - Just another evil dude</a><br /><br /><a>14. Gorbachev - Have no idea why! But people still have their beady eyes on him</a><br /><br /><a>15. Reagan - What? Reagan? Please no!!! He has six letters in all three of his names: 666.</a><br /><br /><a>16. Barney the Dinosaur - a beast who is definitely evil</a><br /><br /><a>Also, Sun Myung Moon, Yassir Arafat, Farrakhan, Clinton, Bill Gates, Prince Charles, and Chirac. All this to say that Christians have guessed and been wrong so many times, I wonder why we keep guessing. Is it really that important? Let's hold fast to what is clear and let God worry about the rest.</a><br /><br /><a>Last time we looked at 2 Thessalonians 2 and saw a number of things we should clearly believe about this guy. He will exalt himself above every god, set up an abomination of desolation, perform false miracles, and deceive many. Now I want to look at the only other references to the Antichrist in the NT that aren't in Revelation. They can be grouped into two: (1) the Synoptic references to false messiahs, and (2) the Johannine reference to small "a" antichrists.</a><br /><br /><a>Let's start with John (1 John 2:18-22; 4:3; 2 John 7). 1 John 2:18 says, "Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come." John points out that a big "A" Antichrist will come in the future, or at least he acknowledges that this is a generally accepted truth. The big "A" Antichrist will come in the last hour. </a><br /><br /><a>Then, he moves on to point out what seems to be a more important truth for him, that many small "a" antichrists have already come. These are men (or women) who were once part of the church, but have moved away from orthodox doctrine and are now trying to lead others into their heresy. The small "a" antichrists of John's day were Proto-Gnostics, holding to a Docetic view of Christ. In other words, they rejected the humanity of Christ, believing that his body was an illusion or that the spirit of Christ was separate than the human Jesus. In John's mind these false teachers are antichrists. Why worry about a future big "A" antichrist, when these small "a" guys are running around. In John's mind then the last hour is already here because of these small "a" guys. </a><br /><br /><a>I think this is instructive for us because we need to stop worrying so much about a future big "A" guy and who he is, and instead worry about the small "a" guys that we deal with day in and day out. That is the more pressing concern, keeping God's people from fatal heresies.</a><br /><br /><a>Finally, let's look at the Synoptics (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and their references to the Antichrist (Mark 13 par. Matt. 24 and Luke 21). In these passages we find Jesus talking about the future destruction of the temple, but is he talking about a third temple during the period of the end (?) or the destruction of the second temple (66-70 CE)? Some of the language points in each direction. As I have studied these sections, I have concluded that Luke refers mainly to 70 CE (i.e. "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies"), Matthew refers mainly to the end (i. e. "At that time the Son of Man shall appear in the sky. . . coming on the clouds with power and great glory"), and Mark seems to point in both directions. I think that what happened in 70 CE, like what happened with Antiochus in 167 BCE, is a pattern for what will again happen in the end. So, I believe in a both/and approach. But . . . interestingly, we have a mention of the abomination of desolation here in the Synoptics but no specific mention of an Antichrist. Our attention is directed again to small "a" antichrists which pop up and try to deceive the many, including the "elect".</a><br /><br /><a>It seems to me that these two portions of Scripture are trying to discourage us from worrying about identifying the large "A" Antichrist, and instead focus on safeguarding God's people from the false doctrine of the small "a" guys. But . . . that's just not as much fun is it?</a> What do you think? Who do you think our big small "a" guys are today?<br /><br /></div><a><br /></a>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-79739231648387670422010-01-28T05:36:00.001-08:002010-01-28T07:30:43.157-08:00The Antichrist: Alive and Well?<div style="text-align: justify;">Did you know that the Antichrist is alive and well today? I once learned that in Sunday school class. We were studying the book of Daniel and our teacher said that he firmly believed that the Antichrist was a strapping young lad alive and well somewhere in the Balkans. How did he know that he was alive and well? I don't know! I've heard many people saying that we are living in the end-times, because our culture is falling away from Christianity, maybe that influenced his thinking. But . . . people have believed they we're in the end of times for thousands of years. We could have thousands of years to go. Cultures have also fallen away from God before (think about the Roman Empire for instance), what makes ours more important than other cultures in God's program.<br /><br />Why did he think he was living in the Balkans? I also don't know! It probably has something to do with the Dispensationalist idea of a revived Roman Empire, and then they associate this Empire with the European Union. I just had someone tell me two week ago that there are 21 nations in the EU at the moment, the Bible says that there will only be 10. He was predicting some bloody wars coming down the pike for Europe. They get this number 10 from the book of Revelation, but is that really what that passage says? I've even heard recently that Barack Obama is the Antichrist, but I heard the same thing about Bill Clinton when he was in office. Many times people just call politicians they don't like the Antichrist. I had a friend recently who wrote an article on <a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDIWmk791DFzTNGp58VLWMNeXgVIEuqCw3YBfnWEB5Sn6tpGKZ-7vUhDsPM3Cgjf6s5EaGF7IiR09Pxs5xsQRMCPYqmSAC4o_7X3wuwdnAruazt0_SmUk5BNZpHXZ7wDt9EuEiYR0GgVs/s320/Hageeageddon7.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 282px; height: 266px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhDIWmk791DFzTNGp58VLWMNeXgVIEuqCw3YBfnWEB5Sn6tpGKZ-7vUhDsPM3Cgjf6s5EaGF7IiR09Pxs5xsQRMCPYqmSAC4o_7X3wuwdnAruazt0_SmUk5BNZpHXZ7wDt9EuEiYR0GgVs/s320/Hageeageddon7.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a>why he could be the Antichrist (tongue in cheek, I believe).<br /><br />So, what does the Bible really say about this enigmatic figure? We live in an era where anyone can get a platform, whether through the internet or on TV. So, we need to ground our understanding not in what we have heard people say, but in a proper interpretation of what God's word says. That of course is not going to answer all of our questions, but it will narrow down possibilities.<br /><br />I want to take a look at this topic, and I would like your feedback. Has the Antichrist already come? Preterists believe that. The Antichrist is Titus or Caligula or some other historical figure. Is the Antichrist still to come? Futurists believe that a really evil dude is yet to appear on earth immediately prior to Christ's Second Coming. If he is still future, what will he be like? I'm going to start by analyzing fairly straight-forward descriptions of the Antichrist and move on to the crazier ones.<br /><br />First, I want to take a look at what 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 says about the Antichrist, or as Paul calls him, the man of lawlessness. In 2 Thessalonians the church in Thessalonica was dealing with false teachers, who were proclaiming that the Day of the Lord had already taken place. Paul writes this letter mainly to correct this faulty doctrine. Paul contends that this day of rest and retribution hasn't taken place yet. Indeed, there are still many things that need to happen first:<br /><br />1. A rebellion or apostasy (3a)<br />2. A rebel revealed - The Man of Lawlessness (3b-4, 8-9)<br />3. A restrainer is removed (5-7)<br />4. A great deception (10)<br />5. A delusion sent from God (11-12)<br /><br />Paul's argument is that these these haven't happened yet and that is proof that the Day of Lord hasn't come yet. Therefore, I take it that whoever Paul is talking about is not a contemporary of his, but someone to come at some point in the future. Another clue that this has yet to happen is that Paul tells us that this man of lawlessness will be destroyed by the breath of Christ at his 2nd coming. I wasn't there, but I don't believe that Christ came back in 70 CE. I personally think this passage is talking about a figure who will be revealed in the future, just prior to the return of Christ. So, if that is true, then what does this passage teach us about the Antichrist?<br /><br />First of all let's look at what he is called:<br /><br />1. Man of Lawlessness<br /><br />The KJV translates this as man of sin, but the actual word more commonly refers to the idea of lawlessness. In other words, the first thing we learn is that this guy pays no attention to God or what God would want.<br /><br />2. Son of Destruction<br /><br />This is said of one other figure in the New Testament, Judas. In John 17 we learn that Judas was a son of destruction, which meant that he was destined for destruction before he was even born! Is that what Paul means here? If that is true, then the Antichrist is also destined for destruction. It just makes sense to compare the Antichrist with Judas. In both cases these men allowed themselves to be used by Satan to do his bidding, and because of that they will be judged severely.<br /><br />We also learn some other things about the Antichrist here:<br /><br />3. He will exalt himself above every god<br /><br />It doesn't matter the god or object of worship, the Antichrist will set himself above it, whether it be Bhudda, Allah, the true God, or a soda pop can. He will make himself the object of worship.<br /><br />4. He will set up an abomination of desolation<br /><br />This language comes from Dan. 7, 8, 9, and 11, which hopefully I will take a closer look at later. Daniel predicted that a lawless one would come and desolate the altar in the Temple. This prophecy was fulfilled with Antiochus Epiphanes in 167 BCE. He outlawed Judaism and sacrificed a pig on the altar. However, Jesus, John, and Paul all pick up on this prophecy from Daniel and describe another lawless one still to come who will also set up an abomination of desolation. Antiochus declared Olympian Zeus to be god, but the Antichrist will declare himself to be god.<br /><br />5. He will be destroyed by the Lord<br /><br />The Antichrist might seem powerful, but his power is nothing compared to the power of the Lord. When Christ returns he will destroy him with the breath of his mouth (Is. 11:4) and wipe out any reminder of him. The Antichrist is not someone to be feared, because this guy is no match for our savior.<br /><br />6. He will perform false miracles by Satan's power<br /><br />The Antichrist will perform signs, wonder, and miracles, probably seeking to parody the work of Christ. When Peter preaches in Acts 2 he tells the crowd that Jesus' ministry was confirmed by signs, wonders, and miracles. These "signs" won't be illusions, magic tricks, or card games. These will be real miracles by the power of Satan and will lead many astray. We will see more of this when we talk about Revelation 13.<br /><br />7. He will deceive many<br /><br />He won't deceive the elect, but only those who are perishing, and God will help him out. God will sened a delusion on this group of people so that they believe the propaganda of the man of lawlessness. We see the same phenomenon in Romans 1. The people turned to idols and worshipped them, so God turned them completely over to their idolatry. God's spirit no longer strived with them, instead he let their evil reach its fullest. The same thing will be true in the end. Those who believe the deception will be further deluded by God because of their delight in evil and their rejection of the truth.<br /><br />It is easy to get caught up in an eschatological frenzy and believe someone who tells you that they have all the answers. You watch a guy on TV who picks up a newspaper and demonstrates how all the headlines are fulfillments of prophecy. It sounds cool. We do have some information about this fellow, but we don't know everything, especially whether or not he is alive and living in the Balkans. I want to leave you with this today. Would you only chew gum that someone else already chewed for you? I urge you to search the scriptures for yourself, don't eat ABC gum! Anchor yourself in what the Bible says for sure, and what it doesn't say for sure let go.<br /><br /><br /><br /></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-7425218916422927882010-01-21T07:11:00.000-08:002010-01-21T08:50:07.747-08:00Daniel 8: Part 2 - The goat with comsetic difficulties<div style="text-align: justify;"><span>Every winter I get a cold sore on my lower lip, and let me tell you, there are few things I hate more. They look terrible, feel gross, and you can tell by the look in people's eyes that you disgust them. The up side is that they are temporary and go away after a week. This poor goat wasn't as lucky. His cosmetic difficulty was a big horn right between the eyes, that breaks off and is replaced by all sorts of other wacky horns. I guess at least I don't have a big horn problem every winter. Let's take a look at the prophecy about this cosmetically challenged goat.<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br /><br />Prophecy #2 (Dan. 8:5-8) The goat:</span><br /><br />The ram is powerful, but not as powerful as our next colorful character, the goat. What do we learn about the goat?<br /><br />1. He was from the west of where Daniel was located (which was Babylon, modern day Iraq).<br />2. He crossed the land so swiftly that he didn't even touch the ground.<br />3. He possessed a super long horn right between his eyes.<br />4. He charged directly at the ram and stuck it as hard as he could.<br />5. He broke off the rams two horns, so that the ram was helpless.<br />6. He trampled the ram and no one could rescue the ram from the power of the goat<br />7. The goat continued to become more and more powerful.<br />8. Until one day, the large horn was broken inexplicably.<br />9. Then, four horns grew in its place extending north, south, east, and west.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.antipas.org/bible_study_aids/subjects/daniel/daniel8.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 375px; height: 281px;" src="http://www.antipas.org/bible_study_aids/subjects/daniel/daniel8.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Angelic Interpretation of Prophecy #2 (Dan. 8:21-22)</span><br /><br />Gabriel tells us a few things about this goat in his angelic explanation. He lets us know the identity of the goat; he is the king of Greece. He also tells us that the large horn that was in between the goat's eyes was an image for the first king of the Greek Empire. The four other horns demonstrate that the Greek Empire will be broken into four sections, each with their own king. Yet, none of these kings will be as powerful as the first.<br /><br /></div><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">The fulfillment of Prophecy #2</span><br /><br /><div style="text-align: justify;">First off, the large horn represents the king of Greece. It couldn't be clearer that this prophecy is about Alexander the Great, who instituted a policy of expanding Greece and Dominating Darius and the Persians. However, Alexander was never technically "king" of the Greek Empire. He was "king" of Macedonia, and was technically just the "governor" of a coalition of Greek city states. which his father assembled. Is it a problem that the prophecy doesn't use the precise political title for Alexander and merely calls him king?<br /><br />Also, Gabriel calls Alexander the FIRST "king" or more technically "governor" of the Greek Empire. But . . . his position and title were the exact same as his father, Philip, making him the second "king" not the first. Wouldn't we then assume by just reading the propehcy that Philip is being spoken about? The fulfillment makes us take a second look. Maybe first doesn't necessarily mean first. Maybe it means the first important king of Greece. Alexander is the one who started to push the boundaries of the Greek Empire, first by liberating, then by conquering. So, for observers from foreign lands, Alexander would appear as the first and pre-eminent leader of Greece. What I want you to take note of is the lack of precision in prophecy about titles and even about some details, like Alexander not technically being the first king of the Greek Empire. If this is true in prophecy that has already been fulfilled, we should expect in prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled.<br /><br />When the prophecy speaks about the collapse of the ram (Medo-Persian Empire) at the hands of the goat (Greek Empire), it mentions only one great battle. As history plays out, it does not happen in one main battle, but several decisive defeats at different locations. Also, when the ram is defeated, we see that its horns are broken off. In the image of the goat, the horns represent kings, first Alexander and then the kings after the Empire is broken apart. However, in the image of the ram, the horns represent the kingdoms of Media and Persia respectively. So, just because a horn represents something in one image, it doesn't necessarily mean that it will mean the same thing in another image. Notice the versatility of images as they relate to prophecy even within a few verses of text.<br /><br />Finally, let's take a look at the breaking up of the Empire. We are told by Gabriel that the great horn breaking off represents the death of Alexander. After Alexander's untimely death, four prominent horns step up into his place, and we are told that these horns represent four kingdoms that would arise from Alexander's Empire. History doesn't fit this prophecy as conveniently as we would like. The death of Alexander led to many great power struggles over who will rule what. Originally the plan was for Alexander to have a successor. Some believed it should be his brother, but he had mental problems. Others thought it should be Alexander's son by Roxana, but he was still in the womb. When this original plan fell apart, a guy named Perdiccas took control of the empire and appointed Satraps who were loyal to him over many different regions of the empire. This struggle led to six main wars over 60 years and finally ended with three main kingdoms (Antigonids, Seleucids, and Ptolemys), not four. What should we think about this?<br /><br />For a very brief period during this time of struggle, there were four separate kingdoms (Cassander took Macedonia and Greece, General Lysimachus took Asia Minor and Thrace, Seleucus I Nicator went with Mesopotamia and Syria, and Ptolemy I, Egypt and Palestine). However, this was very brief, complicated, not what was true immediately after Alexander's death, and soon settled into just three. So, was Daniel merely referring to this brief period in the middle of the struggle? Didn't he foresee that only three would end up surviving in the end? What is clear is that if we were living in the period of Daniel and reading this prophecy, we would assume that the Greek Empire would end up in four sections, north, south, east, and west, and that the transition would have been easy. We would have been wrong.<br /><br /></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-49370968471551016392010-01-14T06:03:00.001-08:002010-01-14T06:50:10.651-08:00The Ram Down By the River (Daniel 8)<div style="text-align: justify;">The other night I was sitting across the table from an old friend. An old friend who just happened to have finished his dissertation on the latter part of Ezekiel. I thought that this was a good opportunity to pick his brain. I had just been reading through the book of Ezekiel in my own personal Bible reading and had a few questions. So, I winged a few his way. I forgot momentarily that this was a man who had spent years with this passage reading everything that had ever been written on the subject. As he dived into his answer, I found myself drowning in new information. My original question was answered very well, but his treatise brought many more questions to mind. In other words, his explanation created more questions in my brain than answers.<br /><br />When we are dealing with prophecy, often we have a corresponding fulfillment either later on in the text or in history itself. These fulfillments when compared to the original prophecy answer many questions, but they also raise just as many. I want us to take a look at Daniel 8, an apocalyptic prophecy about events fulfilled in the intertestamental period, and we will see that the fulfillment and prophecy when compared raise many questions, in spite of the fact that we also have an angelic interpretation of the prophecy in the chapter as well. (For a detailed look at this passage and others like it cf. Sandy, D. Brent, <span style="font-style: italic;">Plowshares and Pruning Hooks</span>, (Downer's Grove, IL: IVP, 2002), pp. 112-116).<br /><br />Prophecy #1 (Dan. 8:3-7) The ram with two long horns<br /><br />We meet in these verses a ram down by the river (No, I didn't say "a van down by the river"). He has two horns and one of them is longer than the other. While Daniel is watching, the shorter horn grows to be longer than the long one. This ram charged out to the west, the north, and the south, and no one could stop it or help its victims. The ram was so powerful it could do as it pleased.<br /><br />The Angelic Interpretation of Prophecy #1 (Dan. 8:20)<br /><br />Gabriel gives us one clue about the ram, his identity. The ram represents the kings of Media and Persia.<br /><br />The fulfillment of Prophecy #1<br /><br />The interpretation tells us that the ram is the KINGS of Media and Perisa, however, Persia only had one king at the time the Greeks conquer it. Is this a problem? Also, when Daniel wrote the kingdoms of Media and Persia were in partnership lik<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.kingjew.org/Goat-mountain-418047.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 373px; height: 251px;" src="http://www.kingjew.org/Goat-mountain-418047.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a>e Daniel describes, but by the time Greece comes along Media has been swallowed up by the Persian empire. In other words, there is only one horn on the ram left, though there are still two when the goat defeats the ram in the vision. If we were interpreting this passage in the time of Daniel, wouldn't we assume that the kingdom of Media-Persia had two kings at the time of its defeat, since the ram had two horns and the angel tells us they represent the KINGS of Media and Persia?<br /><br />We are also told that the ram was very powerful and butted its way out to the west, north, and south. In Esther 1:1 we are told that Perisa extended itself east as well, all the way to modern day India. Is this a difficulty? Why doesn't Daniel forsee in his vision the butting out to the east? If we were just reading Daniel's prophecy and interpretation without the historical fulfillment, we might think that the Persian empire wouldn't extend itself into the east in the future, but we would be wrong. <br /><br />Finally, we are told that no one could stand against the Persian empire, however, in 490 BCE and in 480 BCE the Greeks successfully resist the Persians. Is this a difficulty? I believe it highlights the fact that Daniel was focusing on the power of the Persian empire and was using hyperbole, overstatement, or exaggeration to get this point across. If this is true, how much unfulfilled prophecy might contain overstatement or hyperbole? It is a frightening question to ask, because we don't know. We will look at some more of this passage next week. What do you think? Do you see this as having bearing on our interpretation of similar visions in Revelation or not?<br /></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-25655322751591417132010-01-05T07:33:00.000-08:002010-01-06T07:15:50.086-08:00Psalm 22 and the New Testament<div style="text-align: justify;"><div style="text-align: justify;">If I can't beat my nine year old at horse (whom, by the way, I can pulverize), then it stands to reason that I won't be able to beat Michael Jordan. If I can't beat my brother-in-law at golf (which is true), then it stands to reason that I won't be able to beat Tiger Woods. If I can't eat a double cheeseburger (dep<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.perfectpeople.net/photo-picture-image-media/Michael-Jordan-346x500-40kb-media-483-media-0079.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 319px; height: 402px;" src="http://www.perfectpeople.net/photo-picture-image-media/Michael-Jordan-346x500-40kb-media-483-media-0079.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a>ends on the day), I probably won't be able to eat a triple. This argument is an ancient Jewish interpretive technique (Qal Vahomer) and a main tenet of logic. If something is true in a lesser case, then it stands to reason that it will also be true in a greater case. So, if prophecy is difficult to figure out even when we have a prophecy AND its fulfillment (the lesser case), then it will surely be difficult to figure out when we just have the prophecy (the greater case).<br /></div><br />Let's take a gander at Psalm 22 in order to highlight the difficulty of interpreting prophecy. It is messy even when we already know how it is fulfilled, and we expect to know how unfulfilled prophecy will come to fruition?<br /><br />Psalm 22 is a lament psalm. After you get done reading it, you can feel the intensity of David's emotions. He is feeling a great deal of pain. David starts out in the first 12 verses of the psalm contrasting his present trouble with God's past mercy. He points out to God that he has helped others in the past who called on him, and he asks a simple question of God, "Why won't you help ME now!?" In the second part of the psalm (13-22), David focuses on his enemies. They have him surrounded and want him dragged away and killed. David calls on the Lord for deliverance and thanks him ahead of time for his salvation. In the last part of the psalm (28-31), David invites people to praise God for helping him and for all those who suffer and are mistreated.<br /><br />If we just had Psalm 22 by itself without any New Testament reference to it, we would simply view it as any other lament psalm: a record of David's trouble and his request that God help him out of it. However, the New Testament quotes and alludes to the psalm a few times as prophecy. Most of them are implicit, but the one in the Gospel of John is very explicit. So, in what sense is Psalm 22 prophecy? It definitely is not written like prophecy. It is written like a record of David's trouble.<br /><br />The church as a whole has long regarded Psalm 22 as a prophetic messianic psalm that details the agony of Jesus' suffering (22:1), the brutality of the crucifixion (22:16), and the joy of the resurrection (22). They cite John's use of the psalm to prove this theory. 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(Now the tunic<sup><a href="http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=19#n72" name="v72" onmouseover="jumpVerseNote('n72');"></a></sup> was seamless, woven from top to bottom as a single piece.)<sup> <a href="http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=19#n73" name="v73" onmouseover="jumpVerseNote('n73');"></a></sup><a name="24" href="http://net.bible.org/verse.php?book=Joh&chapter=19&verse=24"></a>So the soldiers said to one another, “Let’s not tear it, but throw dice<sup><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span><a href="http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=19#n74" name="v74" onmouseover="jumpVerseNote('n74');"></a></sup>to see who will get it.”<sup> <a href="http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=19#n75" name="v75" onmouseover="jumpVerseNote('n75');"></a></sup>This took place<sup><a href="http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=19#n76" name="v76" onmouseover="jumpVerseNote('n76');"></a> </sup>to fulfill the scripture that says, “<b><i>They divided my garments among them, and for my clothing they threw dice</i></b>.”<sup><span style="text-decoration: underline;"> </span><a href="http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Joh&chapter=19#n77" name="v77" onmouseover="jumpVerseNote('n77');"></a></sup>So the soldiers did these things.</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.75in; text-align: justify;"><br /></p><div style="text-align: justify;">The passage John refers to is none other than Psalm 22:18, "They are dividing up my clothes among themselves; they are rolling dice<sup><a href="http://net.bible.org/bible.php?book=Psa&chapter=22#n42" name="v42" onmouseover="jumpVerseNote('n42');"></a></sup> for my garments." It is clear that John believed this verse to be more than than just David recounting his escapades with bullies, but why? Does that mean that the entirety of the psalm is messianic? Is it possible that this entire psalm is solely about Jesus and has nothing to do with David? Would David's original readers have thought this a prophecy about a future Messiah? I doubt it. It wasn't interpreted this way between the testaments at all. So, are there tw<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/mil/ind_national_guard/2002/img/2002_0505_helicopter.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 300px; height: 232px;" src="http://www2.indystar.com/library/factfiles/mil/ind_national_guard/2002/img/2002_0505_helicopter.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a>o different meanings of this verse, a plain meaning and then a further prophetic meaning that was unknown until the New Testament? Was John putting David's words into a new context under the influence of the Spirit? I wish I could say that these are easy questions to answer, but they aren't. And, I am not going to satisfy your curiosity today, or give you an easy to digest way of looking at this. I want you to feel the tension, because there is tension.<br /><br />Prophecy is difficult to understand EVEN when it has already been fulfilled. Now imagine saying with certainty that the beasts of the fifth trumpet (Rev. 9) are actually going to be Huey Helicopters! What are your thoughts?<br /></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-17348475917568443982009-12-30T10:14:00.000-08:002009-12-30T12:25:18.442-08:00How to Survive As an Eschatological Agnostic<div style="text-align: justify;">I was once at a Christian bookstore with a fellow pastor, because we were about to attend a rousing debate on the openness of God. As we were burning time, we bought some coffee at the bookstore and decided to take a look around. At this point we took part in a favorite pastoral past-time, recommending books. At the time I was preaching through the book of Revelation, and I pointed out a book edited by Steve Gregg. It is a commentary on Revelation that lists each of the four main views on the book (Historicist, Preterist, Futurist, Idealist) in parallel columns, so that you can easily see the differences in how each system interprets various passages. The guy I recommended it to began to look at me as if he had never seen me before. I think I even heard an audible gasp escape his throat. He exclaimed, "Why on earth would I want to read THAT book!" I said, "So you can peruse other views, making your knowledge base more well rounded." He then said, "Why would I want to know what other people think?"<br /><br />I was blown away by the anti-int<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/images/revelation_cover.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 296px; height: 421px;" src="http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/images/revelation_cover.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a>ellectualism, especially for a guy attending a debate on the openness of God. If you are confident in your own beliefs, what does it hurt to look at things through someone else's eyes. Knowledge is not something to be afraid of.<br /><br />So, what do you do when you get these gasps from fellow Christians? How can you survive as an eschatogical agnositc? I'm not going to lie. It is difficult, because everyone wants to pigeon hole you into one view or another. It never fails; every time I begin a discussion about the end-times with someone, they immediately want to know what perspective I come from. Which is understandable, but often uncomfortable.<br /><br />I have been a die-hard dispensationalist. I have toyed with Covenant Theology. I once thought about becoming a partial preterist. I tried on historic Pre-millennialism for a while. After that I went back to dispensationalism (The Progressive variety). I have run the scope of views, however, certain things about my end-times' beliefs have never changed. I have always believed that at some point in the future Christ will come back for his own, that he will resurrect all people and separate us based on what we believe about him, (judgement), and that he will usher in a new heavens and a new earth. Beyond these, is any of the rest of it really that important?<br /><br />We know that there is a seventieth week of Daniel, seven seal, trumpet, and vial judgments, a coming man of lawlessness, a battle of Armageddon, some sort of rapture, a marriage supper, a millennium, and a battle of Gog and Magog. How exactly they are fulfilled, when they are fulfilled, and in what order, is a matter of great complexity. We have all created systems that include each of these events. Most of us are trying to be as honest as we can with the Bible. The truth, though, might not be possessed exactly by any of us. Let's face it. Prophecy is hard to interpret. Even when we have a prophecy and its fulfillment, many times it raises as many questions as it answers like Psalm 22, Daniel 8, or the various prophecies about Zedekiah for example, which I want to talk about over the next few weeks.<br /><br />I tell my congregants when I preach on difficult subjects, that my view is not a threat to theirs. If you interpret the passage differently, as long as you are honestly dealing with an inspired text, then feel free to disagree. You don't have to agree with me just because I am the pastor. Other views are not threats to us, especially if we have truth on our side. If we possess the truth, then we should welcome learning about and debating other views.<br /><br />When we interpret Scripture there are levels of authority. It is like standing on the branch of a tree. When you are next to the tree, you are on some pretty firm footing. However, each step that you take away from the tree, you are in a more precarious spot. Many of our doctrines we can proclaim loudly from right next to the trunk, doctrines like the deity of Christ, the substitutionary atonement, salvation by grace through faith, the trinity, etc. Other doctrines have less authority because we have to pile up passage upon passage or throw in leaps in human logic. With each leap we take we move farther out on the branch. We could still be right, but we need to be humble enough to admit that we might not have a corner on the entire truth. I think that when we are dealing with end-times' philosophies we are at the very ends of the branch. Don't get me wrong. I have no problem with people who have strong views; I have strong views of my own. But . . . I think there needs to be a measure of humility when we discuss things where we are way out on limbs.<br /><br />All of this to say: if you want to survive as an eschatological agnostic, keep your fat mouth shut. If you believe as I do, that these systems are very complex and full of human logic at many levels, then you also believe that it is not a big deal if you disagree with someone. So, my advice is to keep quiet, unless asked point blank. I don't think that views on this issue should create big divides, so why would I insist constantly that I am more enlightened than everyone else. I think the dispensationalist could be right! I think there is a small chance that the preterist could be right. So, why would I just seek to antagonize these people over what I view to be a minor issue? I won't and I urge you to do the same.<br /></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-68849252240519168052009-12-24T08:13:00.000-08:002009-12-26T15:47:37.935-08:00Cosmic Christmas: Accuser vs. Advocate<div style="text-align: justify;">Were you ever taunted on the school playground. "Hey four eyes!" "Get out of here carrot top." " I don't like you pizza face!" You get the idea. Well, my favorite taunt is, "I'm rubber and you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you." If you step up and exclaim this taunt, you have definitely won!<br /></div><br /><br /><p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://x19.xanga.com/13af370468231252570541/s200628734.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 320px; display: block; height: 213px; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://x19.xanga.com/13af370468231252570541/s200628734.jpg" border="0" /></a><br /><br /></p><div style="text-align: justify;">Now we get to the meat of Revelation 12. It is the heart of the Christmas story and can really be summed up with the above taunt. We no longer have an accuser. Our sins have been forgiven. We are rubber and Satan is glue; whatever he says bounces off of us and sticks to him!<br /><br />Christ's victory over Satan on the cross enabled Michael to have a heavenly victory over Satan. We have seen Michael and Satan battle before. In the book of Jude we find a strange story where Michael and Satan are fighting over the bones of Moses. Here, because of the actions of Christ, Michael takes Satan to school! Jesus said during his ministry that he came to destroy the work of the devil and that is exactly what he did!<br /><br />According to Jewish tradition Michael is one of seven archangels. As far as our canon goes, Michael is the only known archangel. The book of Daniel prophesies that he will have a huge role in shifting power in the end-times, and Jewish tradition pictures him as a protector for Israel, kind of like a defense attorney. Here he protects God's people militarily. He and the angelic host that answers to him battle against Satan and his minions and they win, barring Satan any access to heaven.<br /><br />But, what does it mean that Satan is barred access to heaven? In what sense? In the OT, we see that Satan is part of a heavenly council (Job 1-2; Zech. 3; Ps. 82, etc.). The most famous example of that is in the book of Job. God invites Satan, who is one of the spirits around his throne, to take a look at Job, because he is a very godly man. Satan states his counter hypothesis. The only reason that Job is righteous is because of how nice God is to him. Satan asks for permission to strike Job, so that they can see how righteous he really is. So, Satan becomes Job's prosecuting attorney. He accuses Job of not really being godly. He accuses him of being a fair-weather friend, only loving God because God has been so kind to him.<br /><br />We see the exact same thing in Zechariah 3. Satan stands at the right hand of God accusing Joshua of sin. The Lord rebukes Satan, because Joshua's sins have been forgiven. His filthy clothes have been replaced with clean clothes. Before Christ's work, in a sense, accusations could stick. However, now that Christ has purchased redemption, accusations fail to stick to saints. Therefore, there is no longer a place for Satan accusing before the throne of God. He has now been kicked out of heaven and thrown down to earth for good!<br /></div><p><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://sharecare.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/the-cross.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; width: 520px; display: block; height: 346px; cursor: pointer;" alt="" src="http://sharecare.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/the-cross.jpg" border="0" /></a><br /><br /></p><div style="text-align: justify;">All of this means that the hymn of Revelation 12:10-12 is the heart of this entire chapter and explains John's main point very plainly. Our accuser has been replaced with our advocate. Under emperor Domitan (emperor when Revelation was written), the image of accuser would have been very frightening. This would have reminded John's readers of the paid Roman informer who made a career out of accusing people. During Domitan's reign, Christianity was illegal, so they had many run-ins with these "accusers".<br /><br />Here we see Satan as the ultimate paid informer, trying to accuse the saints in any way possible. But now, the accuser has been thrown out of the courtroom and held in contempt. He will never be allowed to return and accuse God's people. He has been disbarred. His accusations have no basis because of Christ's work of atonement.<br /><br />Jesus is now our new defense attorney and nothing Satan does or says can change the reality of the situation. Our sin is gone because of Christ's work! This is the heart of the Christmas story. Nothing can stand against God's kingdom, not even the gates of hell. So, when you think about Christmas or Revelation 12 think about that old playground taunt, "I'm rubber and you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!"</div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-89767189708790558802009-12-21T07:42:00.001-08:002009-12-22T07:00:41.566-08:00Comsic Christmas: Quail-man and the Battle for Heaven<div align="justify">Am I the only one that watched Nickolodean's <span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Doug</span>? I know I'm not. I am probably the only one who will admit it. If you won't admit it, let me explain the show. It was about a kid growing up in a normal town, with normal parents, a normal sister, and a blue best friend. Granted, Doug was a bit of a loser, but so was I.<br /><br />One interesting feature of the show was that every event usually occurred in two different realms. The first realm was his own personal life. Perhaps he is fighting with his sister or tying to talk to a girl he likes. The main point is usually how he overcomes these obstacles. But . . . the same events occur in another realm, in his head. Everything he does in real life affects the storyline in his head.<br /><br /></div><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://x4c.xanga.com/8dd8662059210217779723/z59968898.jpg"><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 305px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 400px; CURSOR: pointer" border="0" alt="" src="http://x4c.xanga.com/8dd8662059210217779723/z59968898.jpg" /> <p align="justify"></a><br /><br />For instance, let's say he is struggling against a bully in his real life. In his head he becomes a superhero, named Quail-Man, and the bully grows into a huge monster. They begin to fight. The rest of the show cuts between these two realms, and whatever happens in real life is translated into some crazy outcomes in his imagination. If he gets embarrassed in front of a group of people by a bully, then in his head the monster grabs Quail-man and throws him into the moon. If Doug somehow manages to get back at the bully, Quail-man will descend from space and deal a blow back at the monster.<br /><br />The place where the real drama is happening is in reality, the image in his mind is just an illustration of how he feels about it. I believe that is what we have here in Revelation 12. The story operates on two levels. The first level is what is happening on earth. The image of the son showed us that Jesus is dealing a death blow to Satan through his death on the cross, resurrection, and exaltation. But . . . Jesus' atoning work also affects events in heaven. It gives the archangel Michael the power needed to sign an eviction notice for Satan. Michael is able to cast Satan out of heaven for good, and the Devil is no longer allowed to accuse the saints. Isn't that a great truth?! Because Christ died for sins, Satan can no longer accuse us!! Instead of an accuser, we have an advocate!<br /><br /></p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYvZg5To8htw-DIBV-pN9eifHIi0tyjGTxJDJTK-npd8XnvaUv5yHNJkuSKi8nDm8qXdOSTNS98ZvmG4mKWgokMJMN96V5Ch2yHTxzRcLIm4_R0Ur2o-DKQEHS9LYB95yHbe9NNZlT2w/s400/armageddon_heavenwar.jpg"><img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 387px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 284px; CURSOR: pointer" border="0" alt="" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYvZg5To8htw-DIBV-pN9eifHIi0tyjGTxJDJTK-npd8XnvaUv5yHNJkuSKi8nDm8qXdOSTNS98ZvmG4mKWgokMJMN96V5Ch2yHTxzRcLIm4_R0Ur2o-DKQEHS9LYB95yHbe9NNZlT2w/s400/armageddon_heavenwar.jpg" /> </a><p align="justify"><br /><br />Unfortunately, in some views this great truth gets lost, because it doesn't fit in their chronology. Some see a defeat or fall of Satan and take this back to the beginning, to Satan's supposed fall from heaven. He wanted to be more powerful than God, and his pride caused his fall. However, iss that what this passage is talking about? I don't believe that an honest reading of this passage in context would lead to that conclusion. It seems clear that this event is linked with the Jesus' work on the cross. This defeat was enacted by Christ's death and resurrection, and did not take place before the fall of man.<br /><br />Some dispensationalists believe this fall of Satan happens at the mid point of a 7 year tribulation period. Others put this fall at the beginning of the tribulation, saying that the appearance of the saints in heaven drives out the presence of Satan. In this view, salvation in Revelation 12 is watered down from redemption to being saved from the plagues during the end-times. What a travesty! This beautiful passage about the joy of our salvation is destroyed in order to save a system. This passage is an artistic description of our salvation from sin and accusation because Christ has taken our penalty. It is a wonderful picture of the gospel.<br /><br />The preterist comes closer, but still distorts the point. Michael becomes an image for Jesus and his angels are images for the apostles. They carry forward the message of the gospel and bind the dragon and reduce his power. They cite John 12:31, "Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out." So, this becomess a historical earthly event, taking place under the power of apostles preaching the good news. However, I believe that this passage is even more significant than that. It is nothing short of the utter defeat of Satan at the hands of Christ It describes our accuser being tossed out of heaven, because of our advocate's nail scarred hands.<br /><br />What do you think? I will flesh out some implications of this next.<br /><br /><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Logical Point of Interest:</span><br /><br />Please don't let your system crush beautiful passages of Scripture. I am not sure how all the chronology here fits, but I refuse to re-explain this passage, because it doesn't fit nicely in my boxes. I urge you to do the same.</p>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-18305072737913090142009-12-18T07:56:00.000-08:002009-12-18T07:19:56.670-08:00Cosmic Christmas: Looking for Clues<div style="text-align: justify;">I am a big fan of Monk. It is kind of sad to me that this season was his last, but so goes life! Even Tony Shaloub, that great thespian of our age, needs a break. Doesn't he have more important roles to fill than Monk, like the crazy shop owner from Men in Black or the many-headed guy from Spy Kids?<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.zuguide.com/image/Tony-Shalhoub-Men-in-Black.5.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 219px; height: 138px;" src="http://www.zuguide.com/image/Tony-Shalhoub-Men-in-Black.5.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br />Watching Monk has taught me one thing. Everything leaves a mark. There are always clues to be found, and with the proper context, you can take those clues and solve the mystery. We have been looking at three apocalyptic images here in Revelation 12, the woman, the child, and the dragon. In one instance the mystery was easy to solve, because John did it for us. In the other two, however, we need to focus on the clues from context and see if we can solve the mystery.<br /><br />The last mystery we need to solve is the identity of the woman. She is by far the most controversial image of the three. When you think of someone giving birth to the Messiah, who naturally pops into your head? Is it Mary? Well . . . many believe the woman here does refer to the woman. They focus on the one clue, that she is the mother of the Messiah, and then jump to the conclusion that this must be the literal mother of Jesus. But is this correct? Let's take a look at <span style="font-style: italic;">all</span> of the clues that John gives us:<br /><br />1. She is clothed with the sun.<br />2. The moon is her footstool.<br />3. She wears a crown of twelve stars<br />4. She is very pregnant and having labor pains<br />5. She gives birth to a male child, who will rule the nations with an iron rod<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://hanginggardensofbabylon.org/images/woman-clothed-with-light.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 200px; height: 412px;" src="http://hanginggardensofbabylon.org/images/woman-clothed-with-light.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><br />First, we need to remember how the symbol and the referent match up. When we looked at the dragon, we learned that John does not necessarily see things how they are, he is seeing images that represent something else. The description that we are given is not about physical appearance, but each physical characteristic is a clue that tells us something about the figure. We need to take a close look at our physical clues and try to solve the mystery of what they refer to.<br /><br />What are the clues about the sun, moon, and stars intending to tell us about the woman and her identity? We already discussed how the main background for the Apocalypse comes from the Old Testament. Is there any story you can think of that focuses on the sun, moon, and stars.? We also have to keep in mind that we see twelve stars. I think this brings to mind Joseph's dream. Remember when he had a dream about how he and his brothers were stars and his mother and father were the sun and the moon? And how they gathered around him and bowed before him? In this passage from Genesis the sun, moon, and stars represent the future of the nation of Israel. The twelve stars representing each of the twelve brothers.<br /><br />If it is true that Israel is being hinted at here, why through the image of a woman? Throughout the Old Testament we see that God refers to the nation of Israel as a woman. In Jeremiah 2:2 he calls Israel his own bride. She stands in contrast to the whore of Babylon that we meet later on in Revelation, who represents humanity in opposition to God.<br /><br />Why is she in in pain? She is in pain because she is about to give birth. We saw last time that she is about to give birth to the Messiah, who will rule with an iron scepter. This phrase comes straight from Psalm 2 which speaks about the Davidic King and later came to be associated with the ideal Davidic King, the Messiah, whom we now know is Jesus. In other words, we see Israel here in pain because she is about to bring forth the Messiah.<br /><br />As we think about Israel during the time of Christ, we see a woman in pain, longing for her Messiah. This wasn't really true even a century before Christ., because Israel had its own land with its own king during the Hasmonean dynasty, and a <span style="font-style: italic;">future</span> Messiah was not really at the front of their minds. In the first century BCE, however, with the advent of Roman rule, messianic expectations began to rise. When will we get someone to break us from the yoke of foreign rule? Jesus was brought forth during a time when Israel was suffering from "pre-messianic" expectation (cf. Mounce, 232).<br /><br />We all agree then, right? The woman is Israel! Unfortunately, no! Most scholars throughout the centuries have understood the woman to refer to Mary or to Mary in a pre-incarnational form giving birth to Jesus. Today, that view is relegated mainly to Catholicism.<br /><br />Most in protestantism agree that the woman refers to Israel, but that begs a further question, "Who is Israel?" The dispensationalist normally sees the woman as national Israel, and not the church. They have already made a logical choice that Israel and the church are distinct, and that colors how they interpret this woman. The A-mill interpreter does the same thing on the other side. Since there is no or little difference between Israel and the Church, the woman refers to the combined people of God.<br /><br />Does the woman here refer to Israel alone, or is the church part of the referent as well? We see this woman again after the death and ascension of Christ described in this very chapter. She is persecuted by the devil for a three and a half year period, though she is protected by God. After trying several times to kill the woman and being supernaturally thwarted, the dragon gives up and turns to her offspring. Her children are described as those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony about Jesus. If we assume that the woman refers to Israel, then who are her children? Are they individual Jews? Are they the church? Are they individual Christians? Her children definitely sound like Christians to me. Christians who overcome by holding fast to God in the face of persecution. This is where the when of this passage becomes very important. When is this taking place and who is on the earth. Is this during the church age? During a future tribulatoinal period? When?<br /><br />The preterist has already logically concluded that this chapter was fulfilled in the first few centuries of the church. They then have to find a historical fulfillment that has already happened. They have also logically concluded that the church and Israel are the same, so the woman represents both Jews and Christians in the world. Most preterists believe that the woman is faithful Israel and that her escape is when all of the Palestinian Christians flee from Jerusalem before its destruction in 66-70 CE. Then, the dragon turns his attention on all of her offspring, which are Christians not in Jerusalem but in the outlying gentile areas. But . . . is this really what the woman is? Is she just Palestinian Christians? Are her children merely Gentile Christians?<br /><br />The point I am trying to make with these images is simple. This passage is very difficult to interpret, and what makes it even more difficult is all of the logical conclusions that we already carry with us. We have already assumed so many things, that we are no longer free to take the passage on its own merits, we must force it into our system. Everyone is guilty of this. It is just the nature of the game. But, in my opinion, this truth makes our conclusions a little suspect and tells me we should hold them with a little humility.<br /><br />Personally, I believe that this chapter is describing the period between the birth of Christ and the end of days. The woman initially refers to the nation of Israel, in the pain of expectation for the coming Messiah. However, I believe the image also refers to the Church as we move along in time past the ministry, death, and resurrection of Christ. Gentiles are grafted in to borrow words from Paul. The devil in his anger tries to destroy the people of God, but he cannot. This was already predicted by Christ in Matthew 18, "Upon this rock I build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it." The Devil will not and cannot destroy the people of God. So, in his rage he turns his attention against the offspring of the woman, who in my opinion are individual believers of the church age. We have seen this persecution on both small and large scales for two thousand years. But while Satan can kill individual believers, he cannot exterminate the church, since she is supernaturally protected by Christ.<br /><br /><br /><br /></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-20824339642489856332009-12-14T11:40:00.000-08:002009-12-14T15:05:08.393-08:00Cosmic Christmas: The SON - Possibilities vs. Probabilities<div style="text-align: justify;">TV editors are magicians, and they are what make reality television slightly less than real. These people are virtually omnipotent. They can make the viewer feel for the character of their choice. They do it by playing on our emotions. It is just human nature to root for the underdog. So, they juxtapose a team making a humble comment with another team making a huge arrogant statement. "I just don't know if we have what it takes to win this next task." Right next to, "We are the best people ever to be a part of this show." And magically, we all begin to root for the humble rather than the proud.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Who is the Child?</span><br /><br />We sort of find ourselves in a similar situation in Revelation 12. We encounter a weak newborn child and a horrifying scarlet dragon ready to scarf him down. Who do you want to win? The irony of the story lies in the fact that with all of the dragon's menace and power, he is actually no match for the child. Which brings us to our question for today, "Who is the child?"<br /><br />First of all, let's clarify our clues:<br /><br />1. The child is born of the woman<br />2. The child is male<br />3. His destiny is to rule all nations with an iron rod<br />4. He is caught up to God and his throne (immediately?)<br /><br />The identify of the child is clear to me, though not all agree. John is referencing Christ. He quotes here a prophecy pertaining to a future Davidic King (Solomon? Messiah? Both?). The prophecy is about how God will give this future king universal dominion over the nations. Most New Testament authors apply words from Psalm 2 to Christ at one time or another. John is doing the same here. He is connecting Christ with this future ruler who will defend his people from the nations like a shepherd defends his sheep. This is proven by two other references in Revelation to the iron rod. The overcomers from the church of Thyatira are also promised to reign with this ruler in Rev. 2:27, and in 19:15 we see this prophecy realized completely when Christ rides in on his white steed to rule with his iron rod. It couldn't be much clearer that John intended us to think of the child as Jesus.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com/userimages/jesusoncrossLION.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 185px; height: 277px;" src="http://www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com/userimages/jesusoncrossLION.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><br />If we are correct and the image of the child refers to Christ, then we have his whole ministry envisioned here, from birth, through death and resurrection, all the way to his exaltation to the right hand of the father. The author of Hebrews tells us that after Christ accomplished the cleansing of sin, he sat down at the right hand of the father in heaven (1:3). This is an apocalyptic technique called telescoping, where many events are scrunched together without allowing for breaks in time.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">A Case of the Possiblies:</span><br /><br />Thankfully, most agree that this image refers to Christ, however, there are always those who buck the obvious because it doesn't fit nicely into their end time philosophical system. Some (not many) dispensationalists equate the child with the church and the child's ascension with the rapture of the church. This helps their system in a couple of ways. First, it allows them to have another text to bolster their pre-trib view. Second, it allows them to skip the church age. To many dispensationalists, Revelation 4-18 has nothing at all to do with Christians, but only with the Jewish nation. It becomes convenient for them to be able to skip to the end. Going right from the birth of the church to its rapture, firmly placing the rest of the chapter during Daniel's Seventieth week.<br /><br />If the dispensationalist identifies the child as Christ, he has to find another spot to fast forward, so that the rest of the events described in Revelation 12 occur during the tribulation rather than the church age. In other words, their interpretation of this passage, like all others, is constrained by prior logical choices. They have already assumed a radical distinction between Israel and the church and that the book of Revelation is for the most part chronological. Therefore, they can't let the text speak for itself, they are forced to make interpretive decisions based on prior interpretive decisions, creating a more and more complex house of cards.<br /><br />I am not just beating up on dispensationalists, but virtually all interpreters. The preterist is no different. Their problem only comes later with the identity of the woman and her flight. They are forced to deny the plain message of the text based on prior convictions.<br /><br />All of this to say that we can't just make the text say what we want it to or what fits into our system. To the best of our ability we need to be able to set down our prior philosophical and logical ideas and try to figure out what our author intended. Here it is clear. John was referencing the life, ministry, death, resurrection, ascension, and exaltation of our Lord, as the rest of the chapter and book reveals. To identify the child as the church is possible, but not probable.<br /><br />When I taught Greek, I had to explain this distinction often. When you understand the myriad of ways that a participle (or any other part of speech) can be translated based on its tense, voice, mood, etc., you can get overwhelmed. Then you begin to say things like, "Anything is possible!" In a sense that is right, there are a great deal of possibilities, but there are only a few probabilities, because both historical and literary CONTEXT limit us. The child could possibly be identified as many different historical figures or institutions, but there is only one probable identification, Christ. Once we agree on that basic truth, it will unlock the beauty of the rest of this chapter AND its connection with Christmas!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Hermeneutical Points of Interest:</span><br /><br />Historical and Literary Context knock out "possiblies," so that only "probablies" remain.<br /><br />Telescoping is a technique where many events are simplified and gaps of time left out, mostly used in prophetic and apocalyptic literature.<br /></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-32028037356988480492009-12-07T05:44:00.001-08:002009-12-07T09:51:28.381-08:00Cosmic Christmas: The Dragon is the Key<div style="text-align: justify;">The key! I've got the key! The key to unlocking the meaning of images in Revelation.<br /><br />The dragon is the key! Have you ever seen <span style="font-style: italic;">The Christmas Story</span>? If you haven't, just tune in to TBS around Christmas time, I believe they play the movie about 144,000 times.<br /><br />In the movie, Ralphie's favorite radio show is <span style="font-style: italic;">Little Orphan Annie. </span>At the end of every broadcast the announcer gives out a secret coded message. Only those who have sent away and received the special decoder ring can figure out what the message says. For months Ralphie waits for his decoder ring to come in the mail. When it finally comes, he is so excited. He rushes into the bathroom to uncover his first secret message. Once he has uncovered the message he becomes severely disappointed, because it turns out to be just a commercial for Ovaltine.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.hudekfamily.com/items/orphan_annie_secret_decoder.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 233px; height: 233px;" src="http://www.hudekfamily.com/items/orphan_annie_secret_decoder.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br />Well, here in Revelation 12 I believe we have have the official decoder ring for John's Apocalypse. John introduces us to one of the most vivid images in his work, and then he interprets that image about as clearly as you can. The identity of the dragon cannot be debated, because John tells us exactly who he is. When we first meet him, John gives us several clues about his indentity and nature:<br /><br />1. He is a monster (dragon)<br />2. He is large (great)<br />3. He is red<br />4. He has seven heads<br />5. He has ten horns<br />6. He has seven crowns<br />7. With his tail he swept away a third of the stars<br />8. He wants to harm the woman and eat her child<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.endtimesprophecy.co.uk/userimages/Revelation12a.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 448px; height: 293px;" src="http://www.endtimesprophecy.co.uk/userimages/Revelation12a.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br />If we only had these clues, we might be able to identify the dragon, but I am sure that there would be a great deal of debate. John stopped all of that debate, by telling us exactly who this dragon is. The answer is in verse 9, "so the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." We've found our decoder ring!<br /><br />Can you get any clearer than that? I don't think so! Here is the key. John is not seeing things how they are, he is seeing things in figures or images that represent something else. We are given a hermenuetical guide as to how the image and the referent correspond. The description that we are given is not a physical appearance, but each physical characteristic is a clue that tells us something about the figure. For example, the dragon is red because Satan has a murderous intent, not because Satan is actually red.<br /><br />Ancient mythology is filled with images of dragons, including some that make their way into our Old Testament. For instance the Leviathan was a great monster of the deep from Canaanite legend and Rahab was the female monster of chaos. These images were brought into our Old Testament mainly to speak of the enemies of God and his people. In Ps. 74:14 the nation of Egypt is called Leviathan. In Isaiah 27:1 both Assyria and Babylon are called Leviathan. The Pharaoh of Egypt is likened to a great monster (Ezek 29:3). The Old Testament is replete with instances of God's enemies being likened to a monster. That phenomenon is what we have here. That is the background for John's use of a dragon to represent the arch-enemy of God and his people, the Devil.<br /><br />The red character symbolizes Satan's murderous intentions, as we see him lying in wait to eat the child as soon as it is born. In Egyptian myth Set-Typon is depicted as a red crocodile, also symbolizing his evil designs. Jesus tells us that Satan has been a murderer from the beginning. (John 8:44). The two clues that are even remotely debated are what the seven heads and crowns refer to, and what the stars are that Satan casts to the ground. Which leads us to a large hermeneutical divide between students of the Apocalypse; how to interpret numbers. Are they as a rule literal or symbolic. This is an issue that we will have to tackle, but I don't have the strength or the time at the moment.<br /><br />Even though there is agreement about the general picture of who the dragon is. Many disagree over how he manifests himself in history at this point. The historicist identifies the dragon with Imperial Rome, which persecutes the child who is the church. The enemy is indeed Satan, but he is animating the opponents of God. Most preterists view the dragon as the Satanic culmination of all four beasts from Daniel. So, here the dragon represents Satan's attempts through all of these pagan empires to persecute God's people, culminating in Rome's destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD under Titus. The idealist sees the dragon as Satan and his attack on the woman and the child as Satan's continual struggle to best God and destroy the church. The dispensational futurist sees the dragon as Satan animating the revived Roman empire in the end-times, against the Jewish people. Finally, the non-dispensational futurist, sees the dragon as Satan trying to stop Christ from accomplishing his work on the cross, and then trying to destroy the people of God and individual Christians.<br /><br />We should look more at these individual views of Revelation, but we will do that at a later time. All of this to show, that just because we agree on the referent of the image (Satan), does not mean that we agree on how this image infiltrates history.<br /><br />What do you think about the dragon and how he worms his way into history?<br /></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-10015821813819864152009-11-30T08:40:00.000-08:002009-11-30T16:16:52.555-08:00Cosmic Christmas - Part Two (Rev 12): Harry Potter and Prophecy<div style="text-align: justify;"><br />What does Harry Potter have to do with Revelation 12? It's simple; let me explain. In the Harry Potter saga we read a prophecy that changes the wizarding world forever. A child will be born as the seventh month dies who will have the power to vanquish the Dark Lord. At this point the evil sorcerer whose demise is hinted at feels a little threatened. He believes the prophecy and thinks that this child needs to be taken out of the equation for his own protection. So, he sets out for Harry's home when Harry is only a little older than a year. In this particular scene we see our three main images from Revelation 12: the woman (Harry's mother), the child (Harry), and the evil monster (Voldemort). We also see that as powerful as the monster is, he is not quite powerful enough to destroy a tiny baby. In fact, in sweeping irony, it is the child who demolishes the monster.<br /><br />These three images, the mother, the child, and the monster, appear quite frequently in the literary world. We find similar plots in both pagan mythology and in the Old Testament. There was a popular Greek myth during the time of Jesus about the pregnant goddess Let (Lucan, <span style="font-style: italic;">Bell.</span> 5.79-81). When she reached her time to deliver her child, she was pursued by a dragon named Python who wanted to kill her and her coming child. It was generally agreed that this yet to be born baby would bring about Python's destruction. Python thought that if he could just kill him as a helpless child, then he could protect himself. Unfortunately for Python, Leto happened upon a tiny little island called Delos, and Poseidon buried the island under the sea to hide her. It was on this island that she was protected while she gave birth to the god, Apollo. When Apollo reached the ripe old age of four days, he set out on a quest to kill Python and succeeded. The monster thwarted by the child.<br /><br />In Egyptian myth we meet our three images in the story of Set the red dragon (Plutarch, <span style="font-style: italic;">De Iside </span>355D-358F). This monster pursues the pregnant goddess (the mother) Isis. Set cannot get to her and she gives birth to Horus (the child). When Horus reaches maturity, he sets out and kills the red dragon.<br /><br />This story line even made itself into the political world of John's day. In AD 83 the Roman Emperor's son died tragically. Upon his death, Domitian named his son a god and the child's mother, the mother of god. Coins of this period show Domitia as the mother of gods enthroned with a scepter and a crown. Others show the dead child sitting on the globe of heaven playing with the seven starts which represented the seven known planets at the time.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwvdIITfmeW7aJR-eMUuw4JrSVkiQgokqpQKKd63q_Lisoznr9m7ppkDA6-5W901F1gZuMwcIUMqPWA25eKwn6bI5xsHGhR6aotLei5RwrIExGCt1OOCSxUrkF_dK4IH_jDtcTE_NFwTo/s400/Domitia+Coin+%28seven+stars%29.jpgX"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 300px; height: 300px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwvdIITfmeW7aJR-eMUuw4JrSVkiQgokqpQKKd63q_Lisoznr9m7ppkDA6-5W901F1gZuMwcIUMqPWA25eKwn6bI5xsHGhR6aotLei5RwrIExGCt1OOCSxUrkF_dK4IH_jDtcTE_NFwTo/s400/Domitia+Coin+%28seven+stars%29.jpgX" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><br />Some have proposed that these three characters in Revelation 12 were intended as a political and religious statement against these coins. In other words, these coins proclaim that Domitian's wife and child are lord and savior, but John is telling us that the real Lord and Savior is Jesus, the Lord of heaven, who will rule with a rod of iron. While tempting to see chapter 12 as a polemic against Domitian, I personally don't think that is the correct background.<br /><br />I believe the background comes from our own Genesis 3. In this passage of Scripture we again meet our three images, the mother, the child, and the monster. After Adam and Eve's (the mother) fall from grace, they are cursed by God. Part of that curse is again to the serpent (the monster). God foretold in that curse that there would always be animosity between the seed of the woman (the child) and the seed of the snake. The offspring of the snake will nip at the heel of man, but man will crush his head. In the original context, I think this refers mainly to the animosity that humans still have with snakes. Later tradition, however, including biblical tradition picks up on this curse as applying to the struggle between Messiah and Satan. Satan wages war with the Christ, trying to destroy him, but does nothing more than nip at his heel. But . . . because of what Christ did on the cross, he has finally and completely crushed Satan's head. The real meaning of Christmas.<br /><br />These are the three images we are going to talk about the rest of this week. Hopefully, nailing down the background as an interpretation and explication of Genesis 3 will help us on the road toward clarifying the referents of these three symbols.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Hermeneutical Point of Interest:</span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><br />The book of Revelation is filled with rich images, but these images are not normally of John's own making. He draws heavily on images from the Old Testament in virtually every verse of his Apocalypse. This is called intertextuality. Often, these background passages provide us with the necessary tools to help us interpret John's intention more precisely.<span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-83104224374659704922009-11-29T17:04:00.000-08:002009-11-29T17:07:58.683-08:00Cosmic Christmas - Part One (Revelation 12): The When?<div style="text-align: justify;">When you think of Christmas, I am sure that you think about blood red dragons that eat infants, right? Or maybe you think about the earth opening up and swallowing Satan’s vomit. How about a serpent being thrown out of heaven and never being allowed to return? I am sure you think about these things rather than mundane things like Christmas trees, Santa Clause, and stockings hung with by the chimney with care.<br /><br />If you don’t think about dragons and serpents, maybe you should. I believe that Revelation 12 is an artfully crafted masterpiece that captures the essence of Christmas almost better than any text in the entire Bible. So, over the next few weeks, I want to explore it. Take a look at the who, what, when, where, and why of Revelation 12, and at the same time focus on the true meaning of the Christmas season.<br /><br />For now, let’s just orient ourselves into this part of Revelation and the general picture of what is going on. The chronology of the book of Revelation is hotly contested like just about everything related to this wonderful book. I will dive into this topic deeper at a later date, but a cursory explanation is needed right now. The book starts off with a prologue focusing on Jesus himself walking among the seven churches (1). This chapter introduces us to the main character and explains to us that it is Christ who commissions John to write down his visions and impressions. From there we move into seven letters from the risen Lord to seven literal churches of the first century (2-3). After that the cosmic drama begins. We first get a glimpse into the very throne room of God, where the Father is being worshipped and we learn that all of things about to be recounted are under his sovereign control (4). Then, Jesus steps forward and we learn that he is the only one who is worthy to set the end time events in motion. It is here that he begins to open the seven-sealed scroll (5). This begins three sets of seven judgments. The first set is called the seal judgments (6). <br /><br />After we learn about this series of afflictions, we have our first pause in the chronology, often called an interlude (7). Here, we are introduced to the 144,000. They are set apart and sealed before the judgments even begin. Therefore, this event must take place before the seal judgments begin. Also, at the end of this interlude we see the immeasurable multitude in heaven after the completion of the time of tribulation. This must take place after the subsequent series of judgments that are still to come. So, the chronology is interrupted. That leads us to an important question. How many times in the book does this happen? If we can agree on a few of these interludes, what about others that we don’t agree on? This is something we will explore later.<br /><br />After this first interlude, we return to our chronological sequence. We see a list of the trumpet judgments which end up being worse than the seals before them (8-9). Then we meet our second interlude (10-11). An angelic Paul Bunyan appears and gives John a scroll and asks him to eat it. First, it is sweet, but then it turns bitter in John’s stomach. This scroll contains the account of the witnesses, their ministry, death, and resurrection. Now, however you view these witnesses, it is generally agreed that the start of their ministry is at the beginning of the seventieth week of Daniel. In other words, their protection described in chapter 11 begins before the seal judgments begin. So, we see another break in chronology from the three series of judgments. <br /><br />Let’s skip ahead to where we are sure that the chronology picks up again. That is with the seven bowl judgments in chapters 15 and 16. That leads us back to our initial question. Where does chapter 12 fit in the chronology? In my opinion, which you will quickly see in the following month, chapters 12-14 form a third interlude. The beginning of chapter 12 goes back to before the coming of Christ and this break extends to chapter 14 which takes us all the way to final judgment. So, that is how I view chapter 12, as a break from the basic chronology of Revelation and as a bird’s eye view of salvation history.<br /><br />Now, we are ready to take a look at this complicated, but beautiful chapter of Scripture. Over the next week I want to look at the “Who?” We will focus on the pregnant woman, the dragon, and the child, and see if we can determine with certain who these characters are, and why we are introduced to them.</div>Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-69505501048299734.post-81700165874585452252009-11-28T13:41:00.000-08:002009-11-28T13:49:45.593-08:00Eschatological Agnostic<link rel="themeData" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5COwner%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_themedata.thmx"><link rel="colorSchemeMapping" href="file:///C:%5CUsers%5COwner%5CAppData%5CLocal%5CTemp%5Cmsohtmlclip1%5C01%5Cclip_colorschememapping.xml"><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:worddocument> <w:view>Normal</w:View> <w:zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:trackmoves/> <w:trackformatting/> <w:punctuationkerning/> <w:validateagainstschemas/> <w:saveifxmlinvalid>false</w:SaveIfXMLInvalid> <w:ignoremixedcontent>false</w:IgnoreMixedContent> 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<br /></o:p></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">I did, however, build a few back in the day, when I was a child and had unlimited time and little imagination.<span style=""> </span>The proper way to build a house of cards is to take two new playing cards and carefully lean them together in the shape of a “V.”<span style=""> </span>After creating several “V’s,” you place more playing cards flat on top of them.<span style=""> </span>The problem comes when you get about two or three levels high.<span style=""> </span>If you’re like most people, your house of cards soon becomes structurally unsound and then topples to the ground, causing an amazing amount of frustration and the desire to banish card-house building from all human civilization.</p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p>
<br /></o:p></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">Well, I look at eschatology in a very similar way that I see houses of cards.<span style=""> </span>They are elaborate structures based on logical conclusions drawn from leaning one interpretation against another.<span style=""> </span>As we pile up conclusion upon conclusion, our systems become more and more complex, until they are straining under the weight of human logic and not biblical principle.<span style=""> </span>I think we all mean well, but that doesn’t stop us from looking down our noses at people who buy into a different house of cards than we do.</p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p>
<br /></o:p></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">For a long time, I have thought about becoming an eschatological agnostic.<span style=""> </span>I don’t mean that I don’t care about the end times or even that I don’t have an eschatology of my own.<span style=""> </span>What I mean by this phrase is that I recognize the complexity of this issue and believe that humility and honest searching not combativeness should be the norm.</p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p>
<br /></o:p></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">When I first started out as a pastor, I found myself intentionally avoiding the subject of eschatology.<span style=""> </span>Why?<span style=""> </span>Why would I ignore such a large part of the counsel of God?<span style=""> </span>The answer is easy and can be summed up in one word, fear.<span style=""> </span>I didn’t want to come to a conclusion other than the party line.<span style=""> </span>I cared more about having a job than following my conscience. <span style=""> </span>And, I am not alone.<span style=""> </span>In my interactions over the years I have found many pastors and professors who feel the same way.<span style=""> </span>They feel restrained from dealing honestly with the Bible out of fear of their eschatology being used as a litmus test against them in the future.<span style=""> </span>Is that what you want from your pastors and professors?<span style=""> </span>Or would you rather your pastor feel free to deal as honestly as he can with the Scripture before him? My mentor modeled this honesty for me, and I have found that it characterizes my own ministry, for good or for ill.</p><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">
<br /></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">There are two types of churches that are the norm when it comes to eschatology.<span style=""> </span>First, there are the “my way or the highway” churches.<span style=""> </span>These churches are passionate in their point of view and either outright claim or imply that those who disagree with them are heretics.<span style=""> </span>I absolutely love the church I grew up in, but when I was a teenager it was this type of church.<span style=""> </span>I remember as a budding youth in a very dispensational church that we had an A-mill youth leader.<span style=""> </span>To this day I don’t know what he was doing at our church.<span style=""> </span>He had to be frustrated out of his mind.<span style=""> </span></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p>
<br /></o:p></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">At one point he began to teach a Sunday school about the different end-times views.<span style=""> </span>He explained to us briefly the difference between various takes on the millennium.<span style=""> </span>I remember being very interested as a kid, because I didn’t even know that other views existed!<span style=""> </span>Even the names of these views sounded glamorous to me.<span style=""> </span>However, all hopes of hearing more about them were dashed.<span style=""> </span>The very next Sunday that particular youth leader wasn’t up front anymore; instead our pastor was up front, towing the partyline.<span style=""> </span>To this day I have no real idea what happened, but I know what I assume.<span style="">
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<br /></span></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">The other kind of church is the “O we don’t talk about that” church.<span style=""> </span>These churches avoid any difficult issue because it has the potential to be divisive.<span style=""> </span>They don’t want to say anything to offend people or rock the boat, so they ignore complex issues all together.<span style=""> </span>Have you ever asked yourself, “Why can’t there be a third kind of church?”<span style=""> </span>A kind of church where main doctrines such as the deity of Christ, salvation by faith, the trinity, and the inspiration of the Bible are embraced with gusto, while secondary complex doctrine are held with open hands.<span style=""> </span>Held loosely, but still not ignored.<span style=""> </span>A kind of church where people are free to hold a different opinion and state it plainly without the fear of being labeled divisive or a heretic.<span style=""> </span>I am sure churches like this are out there, but I fear they are the exception and not the rule.<span style=""> </span></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal"><o:p>
<br /></o:p></p><div style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;"> </div><p style="font-family: times new roman; text-align: justify;" class="MsoNormal">I know that by labeling myself an eschatological agnostic I am endangering myself, especially from the community of faith that I grew up in and cherish.<span style=""> </span>My point isn’t to say they are wrong; it is to ask for a degree of humility and teachability.<span style=""> </span>Maybe the systems are so big and the Scripture it is based on so complicated to interpret with precision that we should be careful what we label orthodox and what we label heresy.<span style=""> </span>Maybe our assumptions and logic have crept in, set up shop, and skewed how we look at major passages of Scripture.<span style=""> </span>In this blog I want to look at the concept of eschatology on a variety of different levels:<span style=""> </span>hermeneutics, exegesis, logic, and theology.<span style=""> </span>My aim is not to create a new system, but to open an honest dialogue, and to push us toward the understanding that this issue is not as easy as some would have us believe.</p> Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17785773816969384074noreply@blogger.com1